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| pfrederi |
Posted: October 15, 2009 09:07 am
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On my 418A the oil light flashes when you use the test switch and when you turn teh ignition on. On the 418 it is an oil pressure indicator not an oil level. I know for sure as the pressure switch sprang a leak a few weeks ago spraying oil on the muffler making much smoke....but it did not trigger the warning light.....
The oil is the only light that flashes.... -------------------- Paul f
NE Pennsylvania 753 (with 8 speed) and sickle bar L-107 Snow Blower and Plow C-81 (Repowered with Magnum 12) 36" Tiller C-175 8 spd ((Sweepster Rotary Broom) Charger 12 Auto Mid Mount Grader Blade 418 A D-200 FEL and 5ft Finish mower |
| save_old_iron |
Posted: October 15, 2009 09:56 am
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Paul, thanks for the update. There appears to be a bare spot on the indicator board which probably supports a circuit for flashing the OIL PRESSURE light on your tractor. Seems like they should have added a loud beeper to this function ( like a backup beeper on trucks) so that you would not have a chance to miss the flashing lite if you drop oil pressure while mowing. -------------------- Chuck
Albany NY If you don't learn something new every day - you're not paying attention ! |
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| truckin88 |
Posted: October 15, 2009 10:25 am
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on the 312 the test makes oil light up solid
-------------------- Orange County, NY
'76 C-120 8 Speed 42" deck / 48" plow (passed down from father in law's father to him to me). '88 312-8 37" Deck with Bagger / 48" plow 88 520-H 48" Deck /48" Plow - Sold 91 244-H - sold 42" SS Snow Blower - sold |
| save_old_iron |
Posted: October 15, 2009 11:01 am
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Chapter 2 - Starting the Circuit Board Repair
I had an opportunity to repair a few of the corroded traces on the indicator board last night. I'm happy with my results on some connections and not at all happy with others, this one I'm happy with - just wrapped a wire around the lamp post and soldered the ends of the wire to the good section of the corroded trace - then soldered the wire to the post - this reestablished + 12 volts to the rest of the indicator bulbs. ![]() the same trace still had many open areas further up the board, so I flipped the board over and daisy chained a wire to each indicator lamp post that needed +12 volts. ![]() instead of this ![]() but now the bad news..... I lifted one of the traces from several attempts to re-solder the indicator posts - the solder joints always looked cold and ragged so the pad finally let go - not a problem really - somewhat expected ![]() and the edge connector trace that was half eaten away needs to be redone - this will never fit into the edge connector.I will need to obtain a piece of adhesive backed copper similar to what is used on stained glass - glue it to the board and eliminate the wire in this photo that causes the lump to form (the lump is my poor craftsmanship - but it does give a good example of the wrong way to do the fix). ![]() Stayed tuned - parts are on order. Tomorrow while we wait for parts, I'll do a quick review of how to check out diodes and transistors with an ohmmeter. -------------------- Chuck
Albany NY If you don't learn something new every day - you're not paying attention ! |
| truckin88 |
Posted: October 15, 2009 12:08 pm
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old iron, ever consider using a conductive pen instead of solder to repair traces. like here:
http://www.2spi.com/catalog/spec_prep/Circ...ilver-Pen.shtml -------------------- Orange County, NY
'76 C-120 8 Speed 42" deck / 48" plow (passed down from father in law's father to him to me). '88 312-8 37" Deck with Bagger / 48" plow 88 520-H 48" Deck /48" Plow - Sold 91 244-H - sold 42" SS Snow Blower - sold |
| save_old_iron |
Posted: October 15, 2009 02:40 pm
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I do know these exist but I have never used one, unless you count the silver paint I used to repair the defroster grid on my car. Now that you mention it - I think I may still have some of that conductive "paint" out in the garage. Plus, at almost $50 for the pen, I'll give the stained glass copper a try first. Some of the repairs - like the one shown to fix the indicator lamp post - needs mechanical backup to secure the actual post. The solder pen would not provide enough support for the post to secure it to the pc board - so I used the wire. Here is a good link to describe the edge connector repair process. http://solder.net/PCB/Edge_Connector_Repair_Instructions.pdf -------------------- Chuck
Albany NY If you don't learn something new every day - you're not paying attention ! |
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| linen beige |
Posted: October 15, 2009 11:57 pm
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If you're any good with a small brush, here's a pretty good price on bottles of brushable silver.
http://www.action-electronics.com/conductivepaint.htm -------------------- Jim in Crestwood, Ky.
Don't that red look good against the bluegrass? Unmolested RJ-58 that still has the serial tag 400 suburban (my daddy's "little tractor") and 2nd 4 parts 702 w/HY-2 lift & duals 704 1054A 857 Charger 9 D-160 |
| save_old_iron |
Posted: October 16, 2009 08:27 am
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Thanks Jim,
I'll see if that s the next alternative if the replacement of the copper trace doesn't work out. The silver conductive paint is still $37 plus shipping and this old girl needs red paint for the hood more than she needs silver paint for the indicator board !!! I'll keep you updated. -------------------- Chuck
Albany NY If you don't learn something new every day - you're not paying attention ! |
| sorekiwi |
Posted: October 16, 2009 09:30 pm
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This is an awesome thread!
Thanks for easy to understand explanations for those of us that are electronically challenged! -------------------- Mike (Kiwi) now in NE Ohio
1962 502 (now a 702!!) 1963 33E Lawn Ranger 1964 654 1966 1276 1968 500 Special 1973 14hp Hydro 1975 B80 1992 520H |
| linen beige |
Posted: October 17, 2009 12:05 am
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I'll second that! -------------------- Jim in Crestwood, Ky.
Don't that red look good against the bluegrass? Unmolested RJ-58 that still has the serial tag 400 suburban (my daddy's "little tractor") and 2nd 4 parts 702 w/HY-2 lift & duals 704 1054A 857 Charger 9 D-160 |
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| save_old_iron |
Posted: October 17, 2009 11:51 am
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Thanks guys - it's great to see what can be accomplished when a group gets together behind a problem and works it thru to its end.
My offer still stands - If there are any other questions I can answer as we go along here - please ask and I'll do my best to explain the electronic part of this great hobby we enjoy. This weekend I will update this post to show how to check diodes and transistors with a multimeter - the diode part can be easily used when checking diodes in the stator output circuits of some unregulated charging systems - stay tuned. and thanks again for the kind words. -------------------- Chuck
Albany NY If you don't learn something new every day - you're not paying attention ! |
| nylyon |
Posted: October 17, 2009 01:08 pm
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![]() Formerly known as nylyon then as Coach now back Group: Admin Posts: 4,222 Member No.: 5 Joined: November 16, 2006 |
This is an outstanding thread, and I am really glad that we have it. One request, if you venture off the circuit board discussion and into other electronic components, please start a new topic to make searching for this easier in the future.
-------------------- Karl in Southeast, NY
There is a tool for every purpose and for every purpose there is a tool. If you do not have the tool for that purpose, use a Hammer - Dad (Member #5) 1994 Wheel Horse 416-Hydro (73421) 42" Recycler (78350, 86001) 42" Snow Blower (06-42ST04) 1988 Wheel Horse 414-8 (31-14K803) 42" Side (05-42MS05), 48" plow (06-48BC01) 1974 Wheel Horse C-160 Automatic (1-0480) 36" Rear (5-0621) ----- 1997 Murray (AYP) 20" Push Mower (1B101EM) 1995 Toro 521 2-Stage Snowblower (38052) Ryobi 4-Cycle trimmer with tiller, brush cutter, blower, pruner, hedge clipper |
| save_old_iron |
Posted: October 19, 2009 02:49 am
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Still waiting for some repair parts but I did get a chance to correct the excessive solder blobs on the edge connector of the indicator card
originally, the corroded edge connector trace looked like this - a definite open circuit ![]() the first attempt at fixing the eaten away copper trace was made by laying a wire across the gap and applying solder - turned out like this - unacceptable - probably would not fit in the molex connector due to the height of the solder blob ![]() so I decided to scrape away the corroded connector entirely ![]() then using self adhesive pure copper film (used for constructing stained glass windows) ![]() a small piece of this copper tape was attached to the previous location of the corroded trace - the copper was trimmed to the proper width ![]() a little touch of solder applied to the new copper - and make sure the original thin trace at the top of the pad is touching the new copper - and you get a very acceptable solder joint that will work well. ![]() that fixes up the dozen or so corroded areas and traces on this pcb I am still awaiting delivery of the grain o wheat bulbs to replace the missing and burned out bulbs I will post the results of this effort probably by week's end. On suggestion from the moderators, I will start a new post on checking the diodes and transistors on this circuit board. Checking the diodes can be useful for other areas on the tractor including unregulated stator outputs for lightweight charging systems. Stay tuned - all comments and questions are welcome. -------------------- Chuck
Albany NY If you don't learn something new every day - you're not paying attention ! |
| save_old_iron |
Posted: November 06, 2009 08:28 am
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I have not forgotten about giving you folks an update. I'm actually thinking about substituting LED's for the indicator lights and actually thinking about repositioning the indicators onto the warning decal area of the hood of this 416-8.
Sorry, but I think that flat real estate could have been put to better use than a warning decal I have to get all the wiring and all the bypassed safety switches to function before any of these lights will work in the first place. So maybe I'll start a 416 dash board design contest and see where that goes. Stay tuned -------------------- Chuck
Albany NY If you don't learn something new every day - you're not paying attention ! |
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