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TT- 02-19-2008
I have to open this up here so it can be discussed freely -- without hijacking another certain thread.
Kelly -- you have questions and opinions, and so do I. whtractor/scratchhead.gif
What say we dig into this a little deeper on our own and see what we can make of it? whtractor/dunno.gif

Nick- 02-19-2008
First question might be would you want to replicate the factory lift kit, do a rear only like was mentioned in Johnny lift post or something completley different. Whatever is built I gues you need to come up with the rated lifting/holding power needed of the electric actuator. If I had room for a battery on the Load Ranger I could make a 3 point lift with a bit less work. smile.gif

Nick in Ohio

tickster- 02-19-2008
I know it's not a true "Electric Lift" but the 416-8 in my avatar has an electric over hydraulic pump that works stock Wheel Horse hyd parts.
These pumps are available through "Northern Hydraulics" & similiar places...also an RV salvage would be a good place to look.
It's a very slick setup & I'll try & add some better pics if anyone has an interest?
I can say the electric lifts & my electric over hyd are much slower than the factory hyd setup.
I suppose a hi speed actuator could be bought..but probably would not have the torque & be somewhat more expensive.
My 2 cents...... whtractor/hide.gif

Nick- 02-19-2008
Electric over hydraulic could be a good way to go. Not sure how many models had them but some Toro Wheel horse VS tractors had an electric hydraulic unit. Might find a junk one and pull off out the lift. Dad even had one and I forget the model number whtractor/banghead.gif something 19.

Nick in Ohio

Found it, it was a 269 Hydro. The pump, part #1, is $828 new

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Kelly- 02-19-2008
Going by the other tread, if I was to make a center mount electric lift, And this is being said with out looking at a tractor, I would mount it pushing from the rear at the trans mounting plate, with a bracket of some kind bolted to the rockshaft pointing somewhat down (again I'd have to look to get the angle) that way when it pushed out it would lift, basicly the same set up as a hydro has just moved to the middle of the tractor, but this would only work with rear or front mounted att. Would be nice with my snowblower, on a stick tractor. I have used electric over hyd. set ups they are kinda slow but have lots of power, it was a frame mach. at a bodyshop. just my 2 cents

TT- 02-19-2008
OK..... might as well pick it up here:

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This is the typical 1978 & up hydraulic or manual lift:
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We need some parts drawings for reference, right? whtractor/thumbsup.gif

Nick- 02-19-2008
The 269-H electric/hydro lift I used was slow but about the same speed as a standard electric actuator. Room for the hydro unit could be a problem but it should have similar lift and holding power compared to a factory hydro lift.


Nick in Ohio

TT- 02-19-2008
What you'll see in both of the drawings related to non-manual lift is an external arm that's about 33% longer than the actual lift attachment arm on the "bellcrank"
This was essentially done to increase the leverage factor and multiply the torque output of the cylinder or actuator. The external arm also moves the cylinder/actuator to the outside of the frame, where it is not only protected, but easily accessed for repairs or adjustments. There is also more room (not much) to mount the cylinder or actuator on the outside of the frame. By utilizing the lift shaft in this manner, it allows all attachments (front middle, and rear) to be raised and lowered in the conventional manner of using the manual lift handle.
If you "pirate" one of the arms on the bellcrank as an attachment point for the cylinder/actuator, you have defeated 50% of the purpose of having a lift on the tractor.
If any attachment needs powered lift, I'd say it is the snowthrower/blowers. Ultimately, the "flag" has to attach to the vertical bellcrank arm - which is the same arm that would be used by the rear lift cable. Any installation of a cylinder or actuator in this area would prohibit the attachment of the flag and would grossly interfere with the actual lift tube itself. As the flag and lift tube are moved forward, the rising thrower/blower "pulls" the tube up very close to the bottom of the front axle of the tractor. I don't have my "big" thrower mounted on anything currently, but I would estimate a maximum of four inches of clearance between the lift tube and the frame/lower steering shaft.

(OK -- taking a break biggrin.gif )

kj4kicks- 02-19-2008
Just a thought here....
Maybe use the factory style hydro lift cylinder/arm setup, but power it with a small belt driven automotive power steering (or something similar) pump, mounted to the engine. Many of them use a remote resovoir that could be tucked away under the hood somewhere.
The FEL uses a belt driven pump in the same manner, except that the entire left pillar is the resovoir.

Nick- 02-19-2008
Eldon,
A belt driven pump could be the best answer. We did the same thing on a Bolens and my brother used a power steering pump for a truck snow plow that lasted for years. Any small pump could work and it doesnt take much of a reservoir.
The belt driven pump also adds all kinds of ideas. Add a 2 spool valve and then aux hydraulic outputs front and rear for attachments. whtractor/thumbsup2.gif

Nick in Ohio

kj4kicks- 02-19-2008
Forgot to add the obvious: By changing to a hydro-lift bellcrank, even the manual trans guys can use this setup !

TT- 02-19-2008
I've been typing for 20 minutes, so I know you guys beat me to some of this -- but I'm NOT erasing it now! laugh.gif

One of my friends and I were just discussing that set-up a little while ago.
The reservoir for hydraulic lift on the hydro tractors is the tranaxle. The newer hydros use "motor oil" in the entire system, and my friend actually runs motor oil in all of his 8 speeds but one. (he runs ATF in his puller) We were thinking about running a suction line in to the "old" fill hole location on the right rear corner of the transaxle and returning the oil through the dipstick tube location. There's lots of room to mount a filter back there too. whtractor/thumbsup.gif
A small log splitter-type gear pump could be mounted on a custom adjustable bracket above the starter and tied in with the cylinder head bolts. (like a starter/generator mount) Install a S/G pulley on the flywheel and a matching pulley on the pump, and put a belt and guard on it for "live hydraulics". This could be hooked to an OEM control valve and cylinder for normal attachment lift function, and possibly -- with the installation of another control valve and some lines with quick couplers -- a power angle dozer or grader blade, etc.! whtractor/thumbsup.gif

TT- 02-19-2008
And, DUH ! I almost forgot convertible top pumps/motors. These have their own reservoir, are 12V DC and have pressure "both ways".
The ones used in the 80's/90's Mustangs aren't very big either!

T-Mo- 02-20-2008
This is an interesting topic and makes for a good read. The belt driven pumps is what JD used for it's hydraulic lifts for its older 110/112 tractors and for the 200 series tractors. The idea of using a bell crank from a hydro should work to provide the extra leverage. To convert a manual lift JD to either an electric lift or hydraulic lift usually meant obtaining a pedestal from a donor tractor that was set up for it. As long as you have the real estate under the hood, the belt driven pumps sounds like the best solution. But, I'm not as familiar with these setup as some of you are.

TT- 02-20-2008
Well, Terry........
I can't think of a more simple design than the first accessory hydraulic lift kit that was offered for WH tractors -- the good old self-contained HY-2.
Pump body/reservoir/control valve all in one unit, add-on engine pulley, two hoses, a cylinder with the appropriate mounting bracket, and a "conversion" bellcrank.

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With the exception of an external control (spool) valve, this wouldn't be tough to duplicate.

Here's another thought for a cylinder: older Fords with "power assist" steering used a nice little dual-action hydraulic cylinder down at the tie rods. I'll have to investigate the size when I get my fingers on one again. whtractor/thumbsup.gif

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